going on about how things are going with KCVDS I took a look deeper into the program. i unpacked it and read the code and I have yet to find the cards. You may think that those card names in the program file are cards, but those are just images. Also I am shocked and awed that the official ban list is NOT supported as I thought originally. So that is another minus in favor of KCVDS. Also I took a look at that DMU program and I am appalled to find that you must install one program, then download another to just play it. As i have stated before I will be sticking with YVD for the facts that I will continue to post here. I know it lacks in some areas, but perhaps we could create a separate channel in an IRC for the academy. Its not much different than setting up a hamachi network, instead it can hold more and it is free to set up a channel in a network. Any suggestions are appreciated. if you desire to flame me then please do so in a private message. Until my next post.